Sieg Heil! Dupes for Dominionism, Unite!


“Conservative” dupes for “Christian” dominionism like to call themselves patriots. Yeah, they are patriots the same way Germans who cheered Hitler, and Russians who bowed to the Soviet State, were patriots. They are sheep. And in their mindless plod toward slaughter, they would have us all join them.

Right now, on Gay Patriot, the loyal minions are tarring and feathering frequent commenter Sonicfrog. Who has – horrors! – committed the heresy of expressing skepticism about the Tea Party’s aims.

Only a couple of years ago, a Tea Party chapter in Chandler, Arizona invited a speaker who’d gone on public record as demanding the death penalty for all gays and lesbians. The reason for their invitation, it was true, had nothing to do with gays. He claimed to have been beaten up by Mexican border guards.

Hundreds of people cross that border every day. If this kook was telling the truth, couldn’t someone else – and yeah, I mean even one other person – have been found to speak for the Tea Party? One who’d say pretty much the same thing?

Yeah, I’d believe somebody nutty enough to demand the death penalty for millions of innocent Americans. What the hell is wrong with these people? How can this slobbering fiend from Hell possibly be considered a reliable source of information on ANY subject?

Anyone who would ever say that all gays and lesbians should be executed is a monster. A potential Hitler. And any organization that would invite him to speak as a sympathetic source of information is diseased.

The Tea Party started out with fine intentions. I enthusiastically supported their efforts early on. But the movement has, since then, degenerated into a nest of pseudo-Christian dominionist lunacy.

No true Christian, nor any human being with one iota of decency, can support an organization that knowingly elevates to a position of authority a monster who calls for the murder of innocent people.

We keep commemorating the Holocaust, and crying “Never again!” And then we show that we have learned absolutely nothing. Right-wingers who mindlessly and unquestioningly support an organization with as little moral sense as today’s Tea Party are the heirs of the German people who cheered for Hitler.

And yes, I went there. Deal with it.

In the headline, I have corrected the spelling of “Sieg.” I’m a German. I need to spell the words right!

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19 Responses to Sieg Heil! Dupes for Dominionism, Unite!

  1. “And yes, I went there. Deal with it.” Love how you used one of Peter H’s expressions (but much more effectively).

    I wanted to let you know that I emailed Bruce and Dan recently about a GP commenter who used my full name on a GP thread in a disparaging way, as well as the long history involved. I requested they remove the libel, as well as enforce their own policies. As a result, Bruce informed me if said commenter engaged in such behavior again, the commenter would be permanently banned from GP. Bruce also asked me to no longer comment at Gay Patriot. Out of respect for him and the blog, I agreed. I don’t want to continue commenting at a blog where the host(s) prefer my absence. I inquired as to how I could properly say my goodbyes to those with whom I’ve been interacting with for three years. I never received an answer as of yet, but I wanted to make sure I let you know that I’ve enjoyed responding to your comments, and what you had to share. Keep fighting the good fight and I will try to check in with you from time to time here at your blog.

    Take Care and Cheers,


  2. Only a couple of years ago, a Tea Party chapter in Chandler, Arizona invited a speaker who’d gone on public record as demanding the death penalty for all gays and lesbians.

    Lori… It’s funny, because this whole thing started when NDT, without any provocation from anyone, said that a whole group of people, Vince and myself included, called Dan Blatt (a.k.a. founder Gay Patriot West) a racist, an extremist, and worst, that we all advocated for Dan to kill himself. Gay Patriot started up eight years ago at about the same time I started blogging. GP was one of the very first sites I found and linked to. Dan has been kind enough to link to several of my blogposts over the years, for which I’ve expressed gratitude on many occasions. So Dan has been a friend for quite some time.

    For someone who has also been at Gay Patriot for a very long time, and knows I have ties to that blog and the proprietors who run it, for that person to accuse me of wanting Dan to kill himself goes over a line that should have never ever been crossed. It’s slander to accuse me of even thinking such a thing, NDT also has a very long history of saying slanderous things about fellow commenters. I’ve been a target of his foul diatribes for quite some time. I’ve let it slide in the past… Not this time. He’s finally crossed beyond a line that cannot be dismissed.

    I have no idea where this is going to go… But I’m not backing down this time.

  3. Lori… I feel the need to correct you:

    “””Right now, on Gay Patriot, the loyal minions are tarring and feathering frequent commenter Sonicfrog. “””

    They’re TRYING to tar and feather me. It’s not sticking. 😉

  4. ” As a result, Bruce informed me if said commenter engaged in such behavior again, the commenter would be permanently banned from GP. ”

    He already has.

    On one of Dan’s latest posts, about a female friend of his on Facebook, Dan writes:

    “”””…….over the weekend, a left-of-center friend posted on Facebook that she was appalled

    . . . to see a group of anti-Obama protesters with slur written signs towards our President as well as signs using the Nazi sign – I believe everyone has a right to their beliefs but the amount of disrespect towards this President is unfathomable and disgusting…what made it worse was the number of people cheering them on or honking their horns in agreement – a sad state of affairs we have reached in America…”””””””

    The “commenter” Vince refers to wrote this:

    “””””Why, Dan?

    Because she’s an unprincipled bigot.

    You might try posting how her beloved Obama Party calls you a Jewish Nazi right now, and see how that goes over.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — June 24, 2013 @ 8:27 am – June 24, 2013″””””””

    So, out of the gate, he calls a Facebook friend of Dan’s, someone who is not even there to defend herself, a “bigot”.

    NDT obviously heeded Bruce’s warning! NOT!

    Sorry Lori. I won’t post anymore about this for a while. I just thought that in light of the email Vince got from Bruce, it’s pretty amusing.

    And, as I said…. I’m not backing down. Not this time.

    • Sandhorse says:

      For some people, a guard dog is still worth keeping around; even if it scares away your friends and regularly defecates in your living room.

  5. Pat says:

    According to NDT, I also have wanted Dan Blatt to kill himself, called him a racist, etc. I was away this past weekend, so missed all of this until today. Just as well, since I’ve had enough scrapes with NDT and his unprovoked attacks.

    Vince, I’m kind of surprised Bruce asked you to stop posting. It’s almost as if his solution to the problem is to have NDT’s opponents not post anymore, instead of dealing with the culprit.

  6. Lori Heine says:

    Right now, the two little terriers are J “Man” and Heliotrope. I don’t care what J “Man” says; he’s too big a head-case to bother with. Additionally, his IQ is probably half that of Heliotrope’s minus some spare change. I think he gets so childish simply because he only understands a fraction of what others say.

    Heliotrope I am really disappointed in. I thought he had some spiritual depth to match the intellectual, but it seems not. Underneath it all, he has a vicious contempt for gays as human beings, to the degree that he dismisses our spiritual lives as “The Church of What’s Happening Now.”

    That’s a spiritual sickness. I don’t know what the cure for it might be. I think I’m going to drop a line to Dan Blatt and warn him, one more time, that many of his readers are gay people of faith and that such utter, bilious contempt for their faith lives is not going to be well-accepted. As he, too, is a man of faith — and Heliotrope is wiping his feet on him, as well — he will probably understand what I mean.

    That is, it turns out, the bargain gay conservatives are being expected to make: ditch our faith, stay out of church or synagogue, and the straighties will welcome us. It’s a deal with the devil, and I won’t make it. I’m pretty much through with Gay Patriot, as long as this sort of thing is tolerated.

  7. What a mess. This could have, probably would have been avoided if action was taken 4 or so years ago when this behavior started to emerge. The election of Barack Obama has brought out the worst in the Conservative movement. The Dems are not very strong or united right now, but they are probably going to make big gains in the next couple of elections because the GOP is eating themselves alive!

    It’s fun to watch for the spectacle, but it saddens me, because there needs to be a strong opposition party to challenge the other side. The demand for litmus tests and purity within the GOP has weakened them immensely, and they don’t even see it.

    • Lori Heine says:

      I will never be a Republican. They have ruined themselves morally by pandering to the bigot vote, and they are lost in a spiritual wilderness. How twisted-up can the soul of someone be if that person actually prefers — is more comfortable with — gays believing God hates them and that they’re going to Hell than he would be with us refusing to give up on God, on trusting in God to love us the way “He” made us?

      It is truly chilling. I’ve communicated with Dan Blatt, and I know he’s a man of deep faith. He really needs to say something on Gay Patriot about that. Even if people like Heliotrope don’t respect us as human beings to any greater degree than they do, you’d think they’d have enough of a sense of shame not to be so blatant about it.

  8. And the fun just keeps going! Today, on that very same “Smear” thread:

    The funny part is how the vultures are circling on Lori’s blog, talking about how they’re going to manipulate Dan Blatt into doing what they want.

    The irony is thick; Dan is an extraordinarily decent and fair human being who does his best to accomodate others, so Lori Heine and Sonicfrog are going to berate him and blast him and tell him that he’s a bad person and that GayPatriot is a bad blog unless he does what they say.

    Notice how none of them targets Bruce. They go for the person who they think is weak and will give them what they want.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — June 25, 2013 @ 3:54 pm – June 25, 2013

    AAAAAND you’re wrong yet again.

    (A) I’m in conversation with Dan because I know Dan better than Bruce. And now that we know you think Dan is weak…..

    (B) Vince and (I think) Lori have also emailed Bruce.

    NDT. You continue to slander me, (and this time Dan). I do not and never have advocated that Dan kill himself. I have never called him a racist, or an extremist. Apologize.

    Comment by Sonicfrog — June 25, 2013 @ 6:46 pm – June 25, 2013

    If NDT thinks we are vultures… that must mean knows he’s dead.

  9. Lori Heine says:

    Actually, I emailed Dan. I’m sure Bruce is a nice guy, too, but I’ve only ever gotten to know Dan.

    What on earth is going on over at Gay Patriot? Don’t those people have anything better to do?

    Other than giving me lots of free publicity for my dastardly and sinister blog, I can’t imagine what they think they’re accomplishing. My only reaction to the whole thing, at this point, is amusement mingled with disgust.

    I haven’t been giving my blogging much attention, because frankly, I’ve got a lot of other things to do — writing and otherwise. You can see, by the big gaps in the dates between my posts, that it’s not a major endeavor for me. I suppose if I wanted to build up readership bad enough, I’d go over to Gay Patriot and pick fights with these nitwits more often. I can think of a lot of ways my energy is better spent.

    I suppose I could pop back over there, in a while, and drive them into a fresh frenzy. But I promised the little darlings I’d be on hiatus for a while. I wouldn’t want to disappoint them. Let J-Thing strut around for a while and Barney Fife it up about how he “drove” me off the blog.

  10. NDT’s latest!
    Correction, Sonicfrog.

    I stated exactly what I think Dan is:

    The irony is thick; Dan is an extraordinarily decent and fair human being who does his best to accomodate others, so Lori Heine and Sonicfrog are going to berate him and blast him and tell him that he’s a bad person and that GayPatriot is a bad blog unless he does what they say.

    Notice how none of them targets Bruce. They go for the person who they think is weak and will give them what they want.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — June 25, 2013 @ 3:54 pm – June 25, 2013

    You are attempting to bully and brutalize Dan into banning me. Fortunately, both you and Lori are self-centered enough that you don’t realize how idiotic your claims to care about Dan look when you’re simultaneously attacking and calling him dishonest and hypocritical for not banning the people you want banned.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — June 25, 2013 @ 7:31 pm – June 25, 2013


    My reply:

    You are attempting to bully and brutalize Dan

    Hey… I think we’re making progress. Does this mean I no longer want Dan to kill himself, as he couldn’t ban you if he did!

    Or do I want Dan to ban you, THEN kill himself??????

    Comment by Sonicfrog — June 25, 2013 @ 10:45 pm – June 25, 2013

  11. Lori Heine says:

    I don’t know exactly what North Dallas Thirty is so afraid of. What Dan and Bruce are going to do is read the commentary threads in question, and determine for themselves what they think about this. NDT seems to think they’re such unformed putty that anybody can mold them any way they please. But both Dan and Bruce seem, to me, to be strong-minded people. They’ll make up their own minds.

  12. Rusty says:

    “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.”

    ― Elie Wiesel

  13. ILoveCapitalism says:

    Hi guys! As regards NDT using VS’ real name in GP comments: Please note that VS offered that name himself on GP as his handle, for some time. Only meaning that it would be somewhat natural for people to address him by it.

    Don’t worry, I probably won’t be back here; you can resume what you were doing. I was fascinated to learn, Lori, that everyone at GP – which can’t possibly exclude me – is a power-hungry dupe for dominionism who poops on the carpets or whatever (I’m not going to re-read your posts for the exact quotes). Like NDT before you, your broad-brush tactics surround a kernel of truth which should be acknowledged: which in this case is that, for whatever my reasons, I really prefer the company of Bruce, Dan, V the K, Peter H, The Livewire, and yes even heliotrope and NDT on their better days, to some of you here (leaving aside rusty and Pat). There it is. Good luck to you all, best wishes!

    • Lori Heine says:

      ILC, I was talking about people who condone dominionism by looking the other way while it advances. If that’s you, then that’s you. If it’s not (and I doubt that it is), then it does not apply to you.

      It’s easy enough to see that people who blog, or who comment on blogs, are out there — we make ourselves known. As I see from my stats on this blog, there are many people who read a blog but never comment on it. They are also worthy of consideration.

      When a remark is made that paints with too broad a brush, you can see how those who feel they’ve been painted react. A lot like you’re reacting. Well, how do you imagine a gay person of faith feels when he or she hears, from someone like Heliotrope, that any church that accepts us as full-fledged Christians is “The Church of What’s Happening Now” and compared to Barney Frank?

      I’m not going to back down about the fact that people who DO NOT choose to comment, but who read a blog, are worthy of consideration, too. Otherwise a blog becomes like a pig trough, where only the most aggressive porkers are welcome.

      There is a tendency online for this to happen. People quite capable of behaving like reasonable adults in person (like NDT) turn into monster toddlers from Hell. This is especially true for those who use aliases. I doubt somebody like Heliotrope would sneer to me, to my face, that my religious faith is bogus or insult everyone — gay and straight, male and female, young and old — who belongs to my congregation. I know these people, I love these people as brothers and sisters in Christ, and I won’t stand by while they are insulted, either, by some entity from cyberspace hiding behind an alias.

      I wouldn’t put up with it in person, either. I am the same person in cyberspace that I am in person. I use the same name everywhere: my own. I appreciate that there may be good reasons why some must use aliases, but they should, perhaps, take extra care that they don’t use those as a cloak permitting them to behave in ways they would — in their in-person world — find unconscionable.

  14. Scott George (a.k.a. Sandhorse) says:

    Ahhh…ILC, nothing demonstrates ones ‘Mighty Principles’ as much as leaving a proverbial burning bag of poo on the neighboring blog.

    Congratulations Lori! Your blog has garnered it’s first ‘hit-n-run’ fraternity prank!

    I guess I should give ILC *some* credit. At least he followed his own advice to Sonic and brought his new found ‘fight’ with you here instead of hashing it out with you on GP.

    Of course Heliotrope and JMan completely ignored this same suggestion. Heliotrope read your post here and, rather than hash it out with you here, proceeded to bring it up over there. JMan actually copied and pasted your post to the GP thread before commenting on it. I guess they both needed the home field advantage.

    Now will ILC admonish them for not keeping there disagreements in the proper venue? Not likely. I think the privilege of pontificating from GPs main page obligates you to protect the ‘GP Favorites’. That’s the only conclusion I can come to since the good sense I admired in Jeff (and I genuinely did admire Jeff) has seemingly left his head. I mean, what else can be gathered by the fact that ILC’s first visit to Bornon911 (that I am aware of) was to defend NDTs use of Vince’s name against Vince’s wishes. And yet for all his high regard for Pat, ILC has yet to lift a toenail on the GP thread in question to defend Pat against the barrage he is receiving from NDT and now even JMan.

    Incidentally regarding JMan, he had posted his confusion in NDTs ‘heart on’ for Pat. JMan stated at length how Pat had always been polite and courteous. (a general consensus on GP) In response, the master of deception NDT began with his usual dissection of a comment Pat had made, along with his usual distortion of said comment. And in almost Borg like assimilation, JMan has become ‘NDT lite’. Pat now has to defend himself against JMan as well.

    The fact that JMan has so easily become NDTs puppet should come as no surprise. But the fact that ILC can’t step in and simply say ‘NDT, cool it on Pat. Pat has been a completely upright and is not the type of guy that would suggest Dan kill himself’, is disappointing. Sure he can’t ban NDT, and the suggestion is not being made that he do so if he could, but ILC could be chivalrous, step in on behalf of his ‘friend’ Pat; even if Pat isn’t a GP favorite.

    Perhaps his hands are tied since NDT is a personal friend of the blog owners. (I suspect it’s more because he is too busy adding personal commentary to Sonics posts. That’s an underhanded tactic.) However, if I felt held back in any such fashion, I wouldn’t have a hard time finding my way out.

  15. Pat says:

    Scott, thanks for the support. Actually, I didn’t have that much of a problem with ILC not stepping in to defend me. He has defended me against NDT in the past. What I didn’t agree with was ILC equating Sonicfrog’s actions with NDT’s in that thread. I don’t see suggesting someone should be banned as a personal attack. If NDT suggested that I should be banned, it wouldn’t have bothered me. In fact, it would be one of the nicest things he’s said about in a long time.

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